I have long, not super beefy legs and was getting frustrated finding any women's shorts or bibs that didn't just hit mid or upper thigh, and that also stay put. These hit lower mid-thigh and the silicone grippers work really well to keep them from riding up. I love the more matte feel of the fabric - not at all shiny. I have also come to like the Progetto X2 Air Donna seat pad - far better than the super bulky "Kiss" versions I have tried in the past.
