Wore these on a Century and wound up with a raw butt. I'd worn them on 72 miles with no issues so didn't think I would have problems, but the chamois on these is the rough orange one and I think the texture on my skin rubbed it raw. Wore them again for 38 miles, 3500 feet recently and again, the hot spots were starting by the end of the ride. Very disappointed.
not crazy about the hemless leg bottom. Will it stretch out? Time will tell.